Maybe Wayland was a bad ide.

Edward1978

THE FIRST LINUX END OF LIFE IN THE HISTORY.
Lots of great points, do the BSDs have another display server besides X11 or Wayland. Wayland doesn't sound so goof to me.

codytherudeguy

Edward1978 No but also the future is going to be like this
Wayland if you have a near modern gpu
Xlibre if you're using an intel igpu or older gpu in general

Display servers are not something that can be just made Xlibre for example is not a from scratch solution they forked X11 fixed a bunch of stuff and continue to fix issues old X11 still has to this day

The strategy with wayland is they (Desktop environment devs mainly) are going to force wayland on everyone and expect people to report bugs (systemd did this as well)
This will either go really well or backfire entirely as most projects that take the come to me first instead of me going to you approach often do

For me personally i'm an Xlibre guy i like my stuff to work correctly and maybe one day wayland will be in a state where things work the way they should but for now Xlibre is entirely fine for this intel igpu my mini pc uses

You don't have to use wayland
that's the best part you get to choose whats best for you no matter how much gnome or kde try to force wayland on everyone they will never be able to eradicate user choice because history has shown when you take away users freedom they will just fork your software and bring back said freedom

Robin

I hope that the harder they push their "preferred" software trying to "unify" and "standardize" the BSDs and Linux, the more forks will appear like XLibre to counter it.

vimanuelt

The real sleeper project is Arcan. If you find Wayland disruptive to your current workflow, Arcan represents an even more dramatic shift. Its design philosophy departs sharply from the traditional Unix graphics stack, emphasizing security, strong isolation, and experimental interface models. The result is an ambitious and highly capable platform. In scope and architectural rigor, it can make the more familiar Wayland and the X Window System feel conservative by comparison. For now, its radical approach keeps it outside the mainstream.

Edward1978

I am no coder, but it sounds like Wayland will make dev. of apps harder, because each compositor does Wayland a little different, so app dev. will need to do a version for each DE. I have Manjaro KDE & Garudo KDE so, yes I will have to deal with it. KDE is dropping X11, in 6.8 I think. I Will GhostBSD have to go this rought to, or will Mate not force Wayland?Garudo has a browser they deved, a fork of Firefdox with added sec. called Firedragon, seems like something Ghost BSD would use.

vimanuelt

Edward1978
GhostBSD is not affected by KDE issues as severely as FreeBSD. As for MATE, even if the project were to move in a different direction, GhostBSD already has Gershwin, which will offer far greater stability than either MATE or KDE Plasma. Gershwin has considerable potential and will likely attract developers who are growing tired of the current desktop landscape and the ongoing difficulties associated with Wayland development. I did a cursory review of what would be required to build a UI toolkit in Zig for Gershwin, and it appears to be feasible. This would allow developers to create Gershwin applications without learning Objective C or Swift, which makes the environment more accessible.

At the moment I am working with Arcan, but in about six months I may revisit Gershwin and X11 since that direction would be easier for most users and developers.

Edward1978

vimanuelt One thing I do wish is MATE would go to QT, I remember the theme not being on every app in Manjaro.

Robin

LXDE already did that (go to Qt). I didn't like LXQt much, but I was a LXDE fan before it abandoned X-11

Edward1978

Robin Hmmm what is it about LXQT you didn't like when LXde was fine?

Is Wayland Ready Again? PART 3!

I want MATE QT, so the theme will be on all apps.

vimanuelt

We are seeing a lot of UI toolkits specific to a programming language nowadays.

Edward1978

Is Wayland Ready Again? PART 3!

Robin

@Edward1978 Qt didn't seem to mix well with LXDE, and by that time I had upgraded the hardware so that the need for a "lightweight" desktop was less acute. On the old one I went to Openbox.

Edward1978

Sorry about the vid double post, was going too delete, but no option.